1 00:00:37,500 --> 00:00:31,660 [Music] 2 00:00:44,450 --> 00:00:41,970 explode the bazaars or e-ticket ride 3 00:00:47,729 --> 00:00:44,460 into the world of the paranoid 4 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:47,739 strap yourself in as we traverse the 5 00:00:57,180 --> 00:00:52,050 universe exploring the unexplained UFO s 6 00:01:00,869 --> 00:00:57,190 ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology as well 7 00:01:05,790 --> 00:01:00,879 as other dimensions it's time to take 8 00:01:09,030 --> 00:01:05,800 back the night now your electrifying 9 00:01:13,460 --> 00:01:09,040 hosts of exploring the bizarre Timothy 10 00:01:19,139 --> 00:01:16,050 it's a bird it's a plane 11 00:01:23,249 --> 00:01:19,149 hello ain't no Superman what in God's 12 00:01:25,770 --> 00:01:23,259 name is that looks like some kind of 13 00:01:29,490 --> 00:01:25,780 giant bird I mean look at that thing 14 00:01:33,529 --> 00:01:29,500 it's wingspan must be 30 feet you could 15 00:01:38,310 --> 00:01:36,060 Thunderbirds we have to be careful that 16 00:01:41,660 --> 00:01:38,320 it doesn't see us down here and try to 17 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:41,670 take our asses away to some mountaintop 18 00:01:48,660 --> 00:01:45,130 Shh let's let's just crouch down low and 19 00:01:51,089 --> 00:01:48,670 maybe he won't see us yet it looks like 20 00:01:54,180 --> 00:01:51,099 it's headed right for us now 21 00:01:56,729 --> 00:01:54,190 well let's hug the ground and get back 22 00:02:01,650 --> 00:01:56,739 to the KC of our studio and we might be 23 00:02:04,199 --> 00:02:01,660 safer there Tito will help us it's 24 00:02:14,390 --> 00:02:04,209 really pointy and its head headed right 25 00:02:17,460 --> 00:02:14,400 for your Oh another close call 26 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:17,470 you must repair you've lost three pair 27 00:02:23,309 --> 00:02:19,810 this month already yeah well that's what 28 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:23,319 stem cells are for Wow 29 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:28,090 good evening my buddy my friend my 30 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:33,250 cohort my co-host and how is it I always 31 00:02:37,589 --> 00:02:35,290 ask you this every week and the answer 32 00:02:41,640 --> 00:02:37,599 is not likely to change how was it in 33 00:02:46,580 --> 00:02:41,650 Jasper Indiana yeah well Jasper Indiana 34 00:02:50,309 --> 00:02:46,590 it has it hasn't changed too much almost 35 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:50,319 swept away by the all letting the 36 00:02:53,759 --> 00:02:51,370 flooding rain 37 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:53,769 over the last couple of days yeah we 38 00:02:59,640 --> 00:02:57,010 we've we've had it here too I guess but 39 00:03:01,580 --> 00:02:59,650 a lot of the the the country this point 40 00:03:07,740 --> 00:03:01,590 in the country has I mean talk about 41 00:03:10,729 --> 00:03:07,750 floods and and disasters yeah well I I 42 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:10,739 used to edit front page disasters 43 00:03:16,050 --> 00:03:13,090 magazine I mean we would remember that 44 00:03:18,930 --> 00:03:16,060 yeah yeah it lasted three issues like 45 00:03:21,180 --> 00:03:18,940 most magazines I've done it's up for UFO 46 00:03:24,750 --> 00:03:21,190 universe that went out for 11 years 47 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:24,760 mm-hm well we've been lucky down here I 48 00:03:30,750 --> 00:03:27,730 mean we haven't got the knock wood who 49 00:03:34,619 --> 00:03:30,760 haven't gotten the tornadoes that other 50 00:03:38,339 --> 00:03:34,629 areas around us have so I'm I'm hoping 51 00:03:44,220 --> 00:03:38,349 that we keep our keep our heads down and 52 00:03:46,410 --> 00:03:44,230 are gonna adds covered those we might 53 00:03:51,180 --> 00:03:46,420 need one of those Thunderbirds to rescue 54 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:51,190 our behinds yeah well it's the the 55 00:03:56,580 --> 00:03:54,450 Thunderbirds are supposed to cause the 56 00:04:00,960 --> 00:03:56,590 thunderstorms and tornadoes and stuff 57 00:04:05,250 --> 00:04:00,970 yeah we yeah maybe that's why they call 58 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:05,260 them Thunderbirds there you go anyway 59 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:07,810 enough of this idle chitchat about 60 00:04:15,319 --> 00:04:12,250 Jasper and who who only you and the 61 00:04:19,039 --> 00:04:15,329 mayor care about I suppose that's right 62 00:04:21,439 --> 00:04:19,049 let us let us continue on with our 63 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:21,449 introduced introduction of our guests 64 00:04:27,870 --> 00:04:24,370 yes well I mean it's speaking of the 65 00:04:31,140 --> 00:04:27,880 Thunderbird tonight very happy to have a 66 00:04:33,900 --> 00:04:31,150 return visit from Seth Breedlove now 67 00:04:37,710 --> 00:04:33,910 Seth is a filmmaker and has written 68 00:04:40,409 --> 00:04:37,720 edited produced and directed shorts and 69 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:40,419 features about a variety of topics but 70 00:04:45,270 --> 00:04:42,250 is best known for his production company 71 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:45,280 and the films they've produced under the 72 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:49,930 small town monster's banner now Seth has 73 00:04:58,950 --> 00:04:54,610 directed and edited such feature-length 74 00:05:01,440 --> 00:04:58,960 films as the boggy creek monster and his 75 00:05:04,380 --> 00:05:01,450 other documentaries include the Minerva 76 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:04,390 monster which is very good The Moth 77 00:05:11,700 --> 00:05:06,970 Point Pleasant which is also excellent 78 00:05:14,100 --> 00:05:11,710 the invasion on crest nut ridge love 79 00:05:17,100 --> 00:05:14,110 that one and his new film which we'll be 80 00:05:20,910 --> 00:05:17,110 talking about tonight is terror in the 81 00:05:24,990 --> 00:05:20,920 skies which Tim I know that you had a 82 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:25,000 chance seat so if I I started I started 83 00:05:30,860 --> 00:05:27,610 and I have to admit I haven't seen that 84 00:05:33,780 --> 00:05:30,870 all I I will try to do that there's this 85 00:05:36,870 --> 00:05:33,790 evening but I think I'm competent enough 86 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:36,880 to get the gist of of the subject well 87 00:05:45,270 --> 00:05:41,530 in fact we did a a book recently kind of 88 00:05:48,030 --> 00:05:45,280 covered this is weird winged wonders and 89 00:05:52,380 --> 00:05:48,040 I'm sure Peter will flash that cover on 90 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:52,390 the the YouTube screen as we we talk 91 00:06:00,750 --> 00:05:57,570 here but assess for people who are not 92 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:00,760 familiar with the the topic which might 93 00:06:11,270 --> 00:06:05,410 be some folks listening in what is a 94 00:06:13,590 --> 00:06:11,280 Thunderbird great great great question 95 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:13,600 Thunderbird I guess would just be sort 96 00:06:22,890 --> 00:06:18,330 of a general term for for any large 97 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:22,900 winged bird that might resemble known 98 00:06:28,350 --> 00:06:26,050 birds you know but beast was 99 00:06:32,930 --> 00:06:28,360 substantially larger and the term 100 00:06:36,500 --> 00:06:32,940 Thunderbird is is typically ascribed to 101 00:06:40,850 --> 00:06:36,510 Native Americans and their beliefs 102 00:06:43,740 --> 00:06:40,860 relating to to those giant winged 103 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:43,750 terrifying birds that that like to carry 104 00:06:49,170 --> 00:06:46,530 away children in the night or in the day 105 00:06:55,650 --> 00:06:49,180 in the in the middle of playing in their 106 00:06:59,010 --> 00:06:55,660 own front yards and oh okay well now we 107 00:07:01,920 --> 00:06:59,020 think of a giant wing that what comes to 108 00:07:05,100 --> 00:07:01,930 mind off hand would of course be these 109 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:05,110 sightings of Mothman I mean that got a 110 00:07:13,110 --> 00:07:10,210 lot of play back in the mid late 60s I 111 00:07:17,940 --> 00:07:13,120 think so I guess a lot of people would 112 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:17,950 be familiar with this particular 113 00:07:24,810 --> 00:07:20,290 Crypton I guess you would put that in 114 00:07:27,570 --> 00:07:24,820 that well I mean yeah I think you are 115 00:07:29,460 --> 00:07:27,580 our movie breaks it down Terra and the 116 00:07:32,430 --> 00:07:29,470 skies breaks it down into like all the 117 00:07:33,930 --> 00:07:32,440 all the various categories of winged 118 00:07:36,180 --> 00:07:33,940 cryptids that have been seen around the 119 00:07:40,230 --> 00:07:36,190 state of Illinois and I mean I don't I 120 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:40,240 don't think too many people would would 121 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:43,090 sort of put Mothman in in the 122 00:07:49,220 --> 00:07:45,490 thunderbird category I know Mark Hall 123 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:49,230 and Loren Coleman are big fans of this 124 00:07:56,100 --> 00:07:53,890 fancy fanciful term big hoot so they 125 00:08:00,410 --> 00:07:56,110 tend to yeah big hoot so they like to 126 00:08:03,570 --> 00:08:00,420 put mock me and sort of in that category 127 00:08:05,940 --> 00:08:03,580 yeah any festival or something like that 128 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:05,950 yeah sure yeah yeah well they they put 129 00:08:11,550 --> 00:08:08,650 it in that like giant owl category but I 130 00:08:13,770 --> 00:08:11,560 mean and yeah the state of Illinois 131 00:08:16,140 --> 00:08:13,780 there's Thunderbirds and there's there's 132 00:08:19,380 --> 00:08:16,150 flying humanoids and there's sort of 133 00:08:23,340 --> 00:08:19,390 prehistoric looking I suppose like 134 00:08:26,670 --> 00:08:23,350 pterodactyl or OpenType winged beasts 135 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:26,680 and then there's the the Chicago phantom 136 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:28,930 or Chicago Mothman which also crosses 137 00:08:33,540 --> 00:08:31,450 over into the humanoid category and 138 00:08:35,970 --> 00:08:33,550 these are all sort of the the various 139 00:08:38,010 --> 00:08:35,980 winged cryptids that have been seen 140 00:08:40,470 --> 00:08:38,020 about around you know the Prairie State 141 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:40,480 and that's the the film sort of covered 142 00:08:45,660 --> 00:08:42,850 the entire breadth of the winged 143 00:08:50,220 --> 00:08:45,670 weirdies as Loren Coleman likes 144 00:08:52,230 --> 00:08:50,230 determine how many how many encounters 145 00:08:54,510 --> 00:08:52,240 are we talking about and give us a 146 00:08:58,770 --> 00:08:54,520 description of them because they 147 00:09:01,200 --> 00:08:58,780 obviously are very yeah I mean there's 148 00:09:02,850 --> 00:09:01,210 there's there's very many I don't even 149 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:02,860 know how to break it down into specifics 150 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:04,930 as to how many and like various 151 00:09:13,560 --> 00:09:10,450 encounters are discussed but yeah yeah a 152 00:09:16,950 --> 00:09:13,570 lot I mean there's it's a it's an hour 153 00:09:18,930 --> 00:09:16,960 and eight minutes long but we we I mean 154 00:09:21,210 --> 00:09:18,940 there's there were 70 sightings of the 155 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:21,220 Chicago Mothman and we mentioned you 156 00:09:29,070 --> 00:09:22,450 know probably it doesn't know those 157 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:29,080 alone we just know what we the the film 158 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:31,930 mostly is an interview 159 00:09:35,970 --> 00:09:34,330 with our various interviews with 160 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:35,980 investigators and researchers and then 161 00:09:43,230 --> 00:09:39,010 we did interview two witnesses two giant 162 00:09:44,579 --> 00:09:43,240 birds in the state of Illinois but yeah 163 00:09:48,510 --> 00:09:44,589 like I was saying there's there's like a 164 00:09:50,190 --> 00:09:48,520 number of various encounters that are 165 00:09:53,639 --> 00:09:50,200 discussed it starts the film sorta 166 00:09:56,460 --> 00:09:53,649 starts with the pie saw legend which is 167 00:09:59,880 --> 00:09:56,470 is this massive winged creature that was 168 00:10:02,940 --> 00:09:59,890 said to roam the the bluffs near the 169 00:10:05,820 --> 00:10:02,950 Mississippi River you know in its sort 170 00:10:09,690 --> 00:10:05,830 of ancient America and up into Native 171 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:09,700 American culture and lore and and then 172 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:13,330 we move on into the 1940s Big Bird flap 173 00:10:18,990 --> 00:10:15,610 near Alton Illinois which is also home 174 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:19,000 of the pious all Legend and there were a 175 00:10:23,490 --> 00:10:21,970 number of sightings this is what I was 176 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:23,500 saying about why it's hard to break it 177 00:10:28,019 --> 00:10:25,690 down into how many we actually discussed 178 00:10:30,420 --> 00:10:28,029 because there's there's probably like 12 179 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:30,430 12 to 15 that are discussed in that 180 00:10:36,540 --> 00:10:32,170 section of the movie and then it moves 181 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:36,550 into the 1970s Thunderbird wave well I 182 00:10:40,170 --> 00:10:37,810 don't even know if you would call that a 183 00:10:42,769 --> 00:10:40,180 Thunderbird wave necessarily it was two 184 00:10:44,940 --> 00:10:42,779 massive winged birds were seen around 185 00:10:48,300 --> 00:10:44,950 central Illinois near the town of 186 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:48,310 Lawndale that seemed to sort of resemble 187 00:10:55,410 --> 00:10:51,370 andean condors they had like the white 188 00:10:57,150 --> 00:10:55,420 Ruff around their neck and they were of 189 00:10:59,730 --> 00:10:57,160 course that's like probably the most one 190 00:11:02,420 --> 00:10:59,740 of the most famous large bird encounter 191 00:11:08,180 --> 00:11:02,430 stories in in that that's the Lawndale 192 00:11:14,370 --> 00:11:12,510 1977 there were there were these some 193 00:11:18,690 --> 00:11:14,380 kids playing in the front yard of their 194 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:18,700 house in this tiny tiny little hamlet in 195 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:21,610 central Illinois called Lawndale they 196 00:11:28,290 --> 00:11:23,770 were in the front yard playing near a 197 00:11:32,250 --> 00:11:28,300 pool and they noticed these two massive 198 00:11:34,500 --> 00:11:32,260 birds sort of flying around the area 199 00:11:37,949 --> 00:11:34,510 they were coming down Kickapoo Creek 200 00:11:40,740 --> 00:11:37,959 which ran behind the home where they 201 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:40,750 were and they actually came up over the 202 00:11:45,929 --> 00:11:45,010 trees that blind Kickapoo Creek flew 203 00:11:49,049 --> 00:11:45,939 down into the 204 00:11:52,979 --> 00:11:49,059 and one of the two birds picked up a 205 00:11:56,279 --> 00:11:52,989 young boy named Marlin lo who weighed 70 206 00:11:57,749 --> 00:11:56,289 some pounds at the time the bird picked 207 00:12:01,079 --> 00:11:57,759 him up and carrying it carried him a 208 00:12:03,689 --> 00:12:01,089 distance of like 50 feet and then 209 00:12:05,629 --> 00:12:03,699 dropped him that the mother his mother 210 00:12:09,210 --> 00:12:05,639 actually came running out of the house 211 00:12:10,619 --> 00:12:09,220 screaming and sort of skidded the 212 00:12:13,439 --> 00:12:10,629 thinking is that it may have actually 213 00:12:16,710 --> 00:12:13,449 her screaming may have actually scared 214 00:12:17,759 --> 00:12:16,720 the the bird into dropping Marlin but 215 00:12:20,159 --> 00:12:17,769 there were there were a number of 216 00:12:22,349 --> 00:12:20,169 witnesses to that event and and that 217 00:12:26,609 --> 00:12:22,359 event much like the 1940s 218 00:12:30,389 --> 00:12:26,619 Alton big bird wave the the Marlin low 219 00:12:33,210 --> 00:12:30,399 attack kicked off a flurry of activity 220 00:12:35,189 --> 00:12:33,220 around Lawndale and not just Lawndale 221 00:12:37,589 --> 00:12:35,199 but I guess all of Central inouye and 222 00:12:38,879 --> 00:12:37,599 all of a sudden that story like small 223 00:12:41,759 --> 00:12:38,889 town Monsters is known for covering 224 00:12:44,299 --> 00:12:41,769 stories where there's an initial 225 00:12:47,519 --> 00:12:44,309 encounter where some sort of monster 226 00:12:48,989 --> 00:12:47,529 that story hits the some sort of local 227 00:12:51,299 --> 00:12:48,999 paper and then because of that it 228 00:12:53,129 --> 00:12:51,309 becomes a national sort of headline well 229 00:12:56,460 --> 00:12:53,139 the same thing happens here cuz Marlin 230 00:12:59,009 --> 00:12:56,470 low and his story gets picked up by a 231 00:13:00,929 --> 00:12:59,019 local paper and then he hits the Chicago 232 00:13:02,879 --> 00:13:00,939 papers and then all of a sudden it's in 233 00:13:04,739 --> 00:13:02,889 every paper coast-to-coast and I've 234 00:13:07,229 --> 00:13:04,749 talked to people all around the country 235 00:13:09,269 --> 00:13:07,239 who remember this event being in their 236 00:13:10,619 --> 00:13:09,279 local papers and being terrified of the 237 00:13:11,819 --> 00:13:10,629 skies at the time because they were 238 00:13:15,409 --> 00:13:11,829 afraid that they were gonna be carried 239 00:13:18,239 --> 00:13:15,419 off by a giant bird so so that story 240 00:13:19,949 --> 00:13:18,249 becomes sort of a national media 241 00:13:21,689 --> 00:13:19,959 sensation and then all of a sudden all 242 00:13:23,999 --> 00:13:21,699 these other people around Central and 243 00:13:25,769 --> 00:13:24,009 always start you know reporting that 244 00:13:28,469 --> 00:13:25,779 they're seeing large birds as well and 245 00:13:31,499 --> 00:13:28,479 and there were a number of reports you 246 00:13:35,869 --> 00:13:31,509 know like probably 12 to 15 20 somewhere 247 00:13:38,189 --> 00:13:35,879 in that range of these birds 248 00:13:40,469 --> 00:13:38,199 occasionally it was just one but but a 249 00:13:43,499 --> 00:13:40,479 lot of them really did seem to focus on 250 00:13:47,929 --> 00:13:43,509 two large birds that resembled andean 251 00:13:50,159 --> 00:13:47,939 condors and it wasn't only you know the 252 00:13:52,019 --> 00:13:50,169 Marlin went to encounter where it seems 253 00:13:54,769 --> 00:13:52,029 that they were picking up some sort of 254 00:13:57,019 --> 00:13:54,779 prey there was there was a report of 255 00:13:59,730 --> 00:13:57,029 from the local farmer who said he saw 256 00:14:02,990 --> 00:13:59,740 one of these things pick up a 257 00:14:05,490 --> 00:14:03,000 pig out of his field and carry it off 258 00:14:09,630 --> 00:14:05,500 there was a report of a man who said he 259 00:14:12,680 --> 00:14:09,640 saw a massive bird sort of sit on top of 260 00:14:16,560 --> 00:14:12,690 a telephone pole and eventually drop a 261 00:14:19,470 --> 00:14:16,570 large rat so there were there were all 262 00:14:22,380 --> 00:14:19,480 sorts of these sightings of these two 263 00:14:24,030 --> 00:14:22,390 birds and this is you know 1977 it goes 264 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:24,040 on for about two weeks I should probably 265 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:27,370 mention that the Alton Illinois 1940s 266 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:29,650 Big Bird wave also lasted about two 267 00:14:33,210 --> 00:14:30,850 weeks 268 00:14:35,670 --> 00:14:33,220 so they they both tend to have a lot of 269 00:14:38,100 --> 00:14:35,680 similarities it's it's you know Alton is 270 00:14:40,860 --> 00:14:38,110 in southern Illinois lawndale's Central 271 00:14:44,100 --> 00:14:40,870 around the same time that that central 272 00:14:50,340 --> 00:14:44,110 Illinois Thunderbird wave kicks off a 273 00:14:53,100 --> 00:14:50,350 guy by the name of John Huffer is hired 274 00:14:56,250 --> 00:14:53,110 and and and he actually goes by Texas 275 00:14:58,560 --> 00:14:56,260 John Huffer and if you're looking for 276 00:15:00,420 --> 00:14:58,570 him now he goes by Chief AJ and he's 277 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:00,430 still around actually I've had the 278 00:15:04,710 --> 00:15:03,970 opportunity to speak with him but but 279 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:04,720 John Hufford 280 00:15:09,930 --> 00:15:06,970 took up was it was hired by a local and 281 00:15:13,410 --> 00:15:09,940 I believe it was a CBS affiliate he was 282 00:15:17,190 --> 00:15:13,420 a cameraman he took his 16 millimeter 283 00:15:22,070 --> 00:15:17,200 camera out in a boat and was out on this 284 00:15:27,060 --> 00:15:22,080 lake not too far from rondell and shot 285 00:15:28,770 --> 00:15:27,070 footage of two very large birds sort of 286 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:28,780 roosting in this tree that eventually 287 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:30,850 they both take off into the air and they 288 00:15:38,550 --> 00:15:35,850 fly away and whatever they are they are 289 00:15:41,970 --> 00:15:38,560 substantially large birds and that's 290 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:41,980 probably the only really famous footage 291 00:15:45,330 --> 00:15:43,810 of a Thunderbird I mean there's other 292 00:15:47,370 --> 00:15:45,340 footage out there but that's the one 293 00:15:49,430 --> 00:15:47,380 that sort of people at least know I 294 00:15:52,230 --> 00:15:49,440 would call it the Patterson Gimlin of 295 00:15:56,580 --> 00:15:52,240 Thunderbird Thunderbird footage well I 296 00:15:59,580 --> 00:15:56,590 was lucky enough to actually receive the 297 00:16:02,700 --> 00:15:59,590 camera that he shot that footage with 298 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:02,710 and the original negatives so I've in my 299 00:16:08,790 --> 00:16:05,650 collection I have the original negatives 300 00:16:11,580 --> 00:16:08,800 and we've given the the camera to the 301 00:16:15,690 --> 00:16:11,590 International cryptozoology Museum so 302 00:16:18,450 --> 00:16:15,700 that's that is that is that in the movie 303 00:16:21,650 --> 00:16:18,460 the the clip yeah yeah for sure yeah 304 00:16:24,900 --> 00:16:21,660 that that's uh unfortunately we 305 00:16:27,690 --> 00:16:24,910 encountered we came across the actual 306 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:27,700 footage very late in the game like a 307 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:30,130 week before we were wrapping wrapping a 308 00:16:36,330 --> 00:16:34,090 movie and we we were given the negatives 309 00:16:38,790 --> 00:16:36,340 and I immediately sent them off to be 310 00:16:41,610 --> 00:16:38,800 sort of developed and then transferred 311 00:16:43,410 --> 00:16:41,620 and unfortunately the studio where we 312 00:16:45,060 --> 00:16:43,420 sent them couldn't do anything with them 313 00:16:47,850 --> 00:16:45,070 so we're still trying to work on getting 314 00:16:49,830 --> 00:16:47,860 those original negatives fixed because 315 00:16:51,390 --> 00:16:49,840 for some reason they have we have not 316 00:16:53,670 --> 00:16:51,400 been able to get them developed as far 317 00:16:56,220 --> 00:16:53,680 so what we're using in the movie in the 318 00:16:57,930 --> 00:16:56,230 movies is an older transfer of that 319 00:17:00,540 --> 00:16:57,940 footage but it's still you know it's 320 00:17:02,700 --> 00:17:00,550 like 480 or 480 P something like that so 321 00:17:04,530 --> 00:17:02,710 it's a little more standard definition 322 00:17:07,110 --> 00:17:04,540 but it's still like I mean what you're 323 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:07,120 looking at does seem to be a very large 324 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:10,930 bird now having said that a lot of the 325 00:17:15,300 --> 00:17:13,330 people that were in the area at the time 326 00:17:17,820 --> 00:17:15,310 who examined the footage and a lot of 327 00:17:21,930 --> 00:17:17,830 investigators that we interviewed 328 00:17:23,940 --> 00:17:21,940 believe that the footage is of a is of 329 00:17:27,870 --> 00:17:23,950 two turkey vultures like abnormally 330 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:27,880 large turkey vultures Ken Gerhard who we 331 00:17:35,730 --> 00:17:31,210 interviewed who's sort of a Thunderbird 332 00:17:39,410 --> 00:17:35,740 or large winged creature expert he 333 00:17:42,210 --> 00:17:39,420 believes that that that is footage of a 334 00:17:45,390 --> 00:17:42,220 some sort of unknown bird or something 335 00:17:48,330 --> 00:17:45,400 other than a turkey vulture whereas a 336 00:17:49,620 --> 00:17:48,340 lot of people like Coleman and and Troy 337 00:17:52,020 --> 00:17:49,630 Taylor and some of the other people 338 00:17:55,710 --> 00:17:52,030 believe that those are just just turkey 339 00:17:58,800 --> 00:17:55,720 vultures but anybody beyond that that 340 00:18:01,740 --> 00:17:58,810 that was sort of once that piece of 341 00:18:04,710 --> 00:18:01,750 footage hit the hit the media then then 342 00:18:06,300 --> 00:18:04,720 that wave of sightings did die off and 343 00:18:08,730 --> 00:18:06,310 then it was kind of quiet around the 344 00:18:12,540 --> 00:18:08,740 state of Illinois as far as like media 345 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:12,550 reported events until until recently 346 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:14,890 when the Chicago Mothman flap kicked off 347 00:18:20,130 --> 00:18:17,410 and of course anyone that follows like 348 00:18:21,360 --> 00:18:20,140 you know the 14 News and things like 349 00:18:24,060 --> 00:18:21,370 that they're gonna know that 350 00:18:25,710 --> 00:18:24,070 that that there have been reports of 351 00:18:28,050 --> 00:18:25,720 winged creatures around the state of 352 00:18:30,180 --> 00:18:28,060 Illinois for centuries and they never 353 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:30,190 really stopped it's just that there are 354 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:32,650 these waves that really seem to get 355 00:18:39,930 --> 00:18:35,890 picked up by the by the local media we 356 00:18:41,970 --> 00:18:39,940 do cover two other witnesses from the 357 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:41,980 90s actually they're both from the 90s 358 00:18:49,710 --> 00:18:45,570 and they seem to talk about or point to 359 00:18:53,850 --> 00:18:49,720 similar waves just lesser reported one 360 00:18:57,420 --> 00:18:53,860 of them saw a massive bird on a road 361 00:18:59,960 --> 00:18:57,430 late one night while driving he was 362 00:19:02,640 --> 00:18:59,970 driving his car down this road very fast 363 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:02,650 came around a bend and there was 364 00:19:06,630 --> 00:19:04,210 something standing in the road and what 365 00:19:09,570 --> 00:19:06,640 he thought it was at first was a human 366 00:19:13,770 --> 00:19:09,580 being like a person in a trench coat 367 00:19:16,350 --> 00:19:13,780 but as he neared it it actually turned 368 00:19:19,110 --> 00:19:16,360 and unfurled its wings and apparently 369 00:19:21,810 --> 00:19:19,120 the wings were massive and it took off 370 00:19:23,850 --> 00:19:21,820 up over his car and he believes the 371 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:23,860 wingspan would have been 15 to 20 feet 372 00:19:29,610 --> 00:19:26,650 it was tip to tip like oh the the road 373 00:19:31,590 --> 00:19:29,620 it actually was sort of dead center in 374 00:19:33,690 --> 00:19:31,600 the road and when it when it opened 375 00:19:35,610 --> 00:19:33,700 those wings it was it was it was very 376 00:19:38,190 --> 00:19:35,620 large so we interviewed him and he did 377 00:19:40,830 --> 00:19:38,200 they did they make I mean like when they 378 00:19:42,780 --> 00:19:40,840 swooped down are we can we hear the 379 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:42,790 wingspan are the wings flapping or 380 00:19:52,590 --> 00:19:46,570 anything on are we talking about the the 381 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:52,600 original footage again yeah yeah I mean 382 00:19:57,990 --> 00:19:55,330 a lot of the people do recount hearing 383 00:19:59,700 --> 00:19:58,000 those those wings flap he did not Jeff 384 00:20:02,190 --> 00:19:59,710 buyers who was the witness he did not 385 00:20:05,970 --> 00:20:02,200 recount that but he was in his car and 386 00:20:07,980 --> 00:20:05,980 was going kind of fast he did feel you 387 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:07,990 know like I it's interesting to talk to 388 00:20:12,900 --> 00:20:09,450 Jeff because like the event obviously 389 00:20:15,210 --> 00:20:12,910 impacted his entire life because like he 390 00:20:18,210 --> 00:20:15,220 or Jeanne what you wonder why 391 00:20:21,570 --> 00:20:18,220 right right yeah and and this thing took 392 00:20:23,310 --> 00:20:21,580 off up over his his car and you know 393 00:20:25,430 --> 00:20:23,320 that was the last he saw but he did 394 00:20:28,490 --> 00:20:25,440 discover that there were other sightings 395 00:20:31,470 --> 00:20:28,500 that that occurred around that same time 396 00:20:33,890 --> 00:20:31,480 and then we interviewed another witness 397 00:20:36,170 --> 00:20:33,900 from the 90s who his 398 00:20:39,140 --> 00:20:36,180 as Kyle Dean Hanson and he had a 399 00:20:46,940 --> 00:20:39,150 sighting while while pheasant hunting 400 00:20:50,830 --> 00:20:46,950 with a with a friend they saw - or not - 401 00:20:53,210 --> 00:20:50,840 they saw one massive sort of prehistoric 402 00:20:55,820 --> 00:20:53,220 winged cryptid that that almost 403 00:20:58,100 --> 00:20:55,830 resembled like a pterodactyl and this 404 00:21:01,370 --> 00:20:58,110 was they were in this this they were 405 00:21:03,980 --> 00:21:01,380 hunting a ditch in a in a large field 406 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:03,990 and this massive bird sort of came over 407 00:21:07,550 --> 00:21:05,970 her head they actually were afraid it 408 00:21:10,430 --> 00:21:07,560 was going to swoop down and take their 409 00:21:13,300 --> 00:21:10,440 dogs their hunting dogs but he believes 410 00:21:16,910 --> 00:21:13,310 it was in that same like 17 to 22 411 00:21:21,290 --> 00:21:16,920 wingspan range with a big sort of hooked 412 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:21,300 beak and a almost like a thin coming off 413 00:21:25,310 --> 00:21:23,010 the back of its head that stretched up 414 00:21:27,410 --> 00:21:25,320 so you know it's it sounds like a 415 00:21:29,210 --> 00:21:27,420 classic almost like a pterodactyl and 416 00:21:31,340 --> 00:21:29,220 the interesting thing about Kyle and 417 00:21:34,940 --> 00:21:31,350 what makes him such a believable witness 418 00:21:37,100 --> 00:21:34,950 is he is is every bit the outdoorsman 419 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:37,110 like he knows the outdoors he knows what 420 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:39,450 what the animals are out there he knows 421 00:21:45,130 --> 00:21:41,970 what exists and in the forest and in the 422 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:45,140 sky and and he's a hunter and he owns 423 00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:48,930 hundreds of acres of land so he's very 424 00:21:54,050 --> 00:21:51,840 familiar with the outdoors and he swears 425 00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:54,060 by this story and it has stuck to it 426 00:22:01,220 --> 00:21:56,640 since it it happened to him Wow 427 00:22:05,230 --> 00:22:01,230 and and these can you say centuries how 428 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:05,240 far the Native Americans I have I guess 429 00:22:10,940 --> 00:22:07,530 legends of giant Birds 430 00:22:14,060 --> 00:22:10,950 sure sure I mean we we we didn't do a 431 00:22:16,820 --> 00:22:14,070 ton of exploration of Native American 432 00:22:20,750 --> 00:22:16,830 culture in in this particular movie for 433 00:22:23,780 --> 00:22:20,760 the most part it is solely talked about 434 00:22:26,120 --> 00:22:23,790 by a handful of the people we did 435 00:22:27,860 --> 00:22:26,130 interview in passing and the main reason 436 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:27,870 is we didn't have any Native Americans 437 00:22:33,530 --> 00:22:31,050 that we were able to get to talk in the 438 00:22:35,060 --> 00:22:33,540 film so hopefully if we can revisit the 439 00:22:36,650 --> 00:22:35,070 subject we can get someone in there to 440 00:22:39,170 --> 00:22:36,660 actually talk about it but I was 441 00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:39,180 hesitant to sort of have a bunch of 442 00:22:47,360 --> 00:22:45,120 white dudes talking on behalf of that 443 00:22:50,690 --> 00:22:47,370 famous 444 00:22:54,350 --> 00:22:50,700 depiction of the of one of these giant 445 00:22:57,739 --> 00:22:54,360 birds on the side of a cliff yeah that's 446 00:23:00,560 --> 00:22:57,749 the pious aw I I believe that's what 447 00:23:04,009 --> 00:23:00,570 you're referring to the pious ah yeah 448 00:23:06,110 --> 00:23:04,019 yeah and that's that's and how is it 449 00:23:09,379 --> 00:23:06,120 supposed to be to size or I've never 450 00:23:12,830 --> 00:23:09,389 seen I've seen obviously photographs of 451 00:23:15,169 --> 00:23:12,840 it and I believe it's been repainted in 452 00:23:19,759 --> 00:23:15,179 or reached or however you would call 453 00:23:22,909 --> 00:23:19,769 that yeah I mean the the the pious saw 454 00:23:25,129 --> 00:23:22,919 is actually I know we have a break 455 00:23:26,869 --> 00:23:25,139 coming up so I'm hesitant yeah start 456 00:23:29,419 --> 00:23:26,879 going into this because it's so detailed 457 00:23:34,029 --> 00:23:29,429 but the the the pious all mural that 458 00:23:37,609 --> 00:23:34,039 people are really familiar with is a a 459 00:23:39,799 --> 00:23:37,619 recreation of a recreation of an 460 00:23:41,749 --> 00:23:39,809 original mural so there's so the current 461 00:23:45,049 --> 00:23:41,759 pious awe mural is a recreation of a 462 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:45,059 recreation and there is some debate 463 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:48,330 amongst researchers as to whether or not 464 00:23:54,139 --> 00:23:51,690 the original pie saw mural was of a 465 00:23:55,789 --> 00:23:54,149 winged cryptid at all and if you want 466 00:23:57,499 --> 00:23:55,799 reaking we can kind of dive into the 467 00:24:00,739 --> 00:23:57,509 history of that but yeah there's there's 468 00:24:03,169 --> 00:24:00,749 a whole history relating to that legend 469 00:24:06,669 --> 00:24:03,179 that sort of involves you know a weight 470 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:06,679 a massive winged cannibalistic creature 471 00:24:14,060 --> 00:24:11,369 all right Ted let me yeah just a few of 472 00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:14,070 the minutes here and attempt you will 473 00:24:25,610 --> 00:24:16,799 continue on all right we'll be right 474 00:24:32,340 --> 00:24:29,760 now back to exploring the bazaars with 475 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:32,350 two of the most electrifying researchers 476 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:35,650 in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca 477 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:41,410 Lee panting Swift's all right welcome 478 00:24:45,870 --> 00:24:43,090 back to exploring the bazaar I'm Tim 479 00:24:48,900 --> 00:24:45,880 Schwarz tonight we're talking with Seth 480 00:24:54,210 --> 00:24:48,910 Breedlove about his new film terror in 481 00:24:59,250 --> 00:24:54,220 the skies and I have to admit Seth that 482 00:25:01,230 --> 00:24:59,260 you know I have I have lived in this 483 00:25:06,690 --> 00:25:01,240 general area you know Illinois Indiana 484 00:25:09,620 --> 00:25:06,700 for the majority of my life and as you 485 00:25:15,210 --> 00:25:09,630 said I mean there has been numerous 486 00:25:25,410 --> 00:25:15,220 reports of giant birds over the years 487 00:25:28,530 --> 00:25:25,420 and it's the flap of 1977-78 to really 488 00:25:33,660 --> 00:25:28,540 seem to stick stick out because of the 489 00:25:39,420 --> 00:25:33,670 press coverage so what what got you 490 00:25:42,120 --> 00:25:39,430 interested in producing a film on this 491 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:42,130 subject yeah I mean and just really 492 00:25:45,630 --> 00:25:44,050 quick to piggyback on what you said at 493 00:25:48,090 --> 00:25:45,640 the beginning of that to the the press 494 00:25:51,330 --> 00:25:48,100 coverage was similar to what happened in 495 00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:51,340 the 40s and I keep saying the 40s 496 00:25:57,510 --> 00:25:53,200 because I can't remember his 48 or like 497 00:26:01,500 --> 00:25:57,520 47 but it was it was a 446 but it was 498 00:26:04,050 --> 00:26:01,510 one of those three years when when there 499 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:04,060 was the Alton big bird flap because that 500 00:26:10,530 --> 00:26:07,690 was covered non-stop by local papers 501 00:26:13,230 --> 00:26:10,540 including st. Louis but anyway yeah I 502 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:13,240 think what drew my attention to this 503 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:15,690 particular subject was just the 504 00:26:20,610 --> 00:26:19,090 believability of like giant birds in 505 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:20,620 America which is something I never 506 00:26:27,930 --> 00:26:23,050 thought I would say because I sort of 507 00:26:30,570 --> 00:26:27,940 had always not scoffed at the idea but I 508 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:30,580 did not necessarily buy into the idea 509 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:31,690 that 510 00:26:39,300 --> 00:26:37,930 not naturally not like a natural giant 511 00:26:41,370 --> 00:26:39,310 bird you know it could be out there 512 00:26:43,260 --> 00:26:41,380 flying around obviously if you get into 513 00:26:47,010 --> 00:26:43,270 like paranormal theories and things like 514 00:26:48,750 --> 00:26:47,020 that then anything's possible but yeah 515 00:26:50,910 --> 00:26:48,760 when it came to sort of a cryptid you 516 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:50,920 know a cryptozoological phenomenon I 517 00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:52,570 just didn't know if I bought into it and 518 00:26:56,490 --> 00:26:55,120 then I talked to some people about their 519 00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:56,500 sightings and the more I thought about 520 00:26:59,550 --> 00:26:58,240 it and the more we learned about the 521 00:27:00,810 --> 00:26:59,560 subject especially through all the 522 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:00,820 interviews we did and I think what 523 00:27:05,250 --> 00:27:02,530 really opened my eyes to it was Ken 524 00:27:07,470 --> 00:27:05,260 Gerhard to interview which was one of if 525 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:07,480 not the first I think it was the first 526 00:27:12,090 --> 00:27:09,250 that we actually shot for Terra in this 527 00:27:13,860 --> 00:27:12,100 guy's in fittingly it was shot on stage 528 00:27:16,860 --> 00:27:13,870 at the State Theatre in Point Pleasant 529 00:27:20,010 --> 00:27:16,870 West Virginia actually but but can 530 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:20,020 really open my eyes to the idea that it 531 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:23,650 a giant bird doesn't necessarily have to 532 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:26,650 be some sort of supernatural or 533 00:27:33,420 --> 00:27:30,610 paranormal thing I mean it could be an 534 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:33,430 anomalous you know anomalous anomalous 535 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:35,890 large known bird 536 00:27:41,460 --> 00:27:38,290 there's obviously you know instances 537 00:27:44,790 --> 00:27:41,470 where where large people are born 538 00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:44,800 abnormally large people and abnormally 539 00:27:51,510 --> 00:27:48,130 large you know sharks and like all sorts 540 00:27:53,100 --> 00:27:51,520 of stuff so why not a large bird so I 541 00:27:55,250 --> 00:27:53,110 thought that was really interesting and 542 00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:55,260 and it was just the idea of exploring 543 00:28:00,930 --> 00:27:58,210 that sort of classic Midwest state of 544 00:28:03,090 --> 00:28:00,940 Illinois - and and it's funny because 545 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:03,100 I've been through Illinois and 546 00:28:09,090 --> 00:28:06,730 throughout my entire life but but I had 547 00:28:11,310 --> 00:28:09,100 never really noticed or thought about 548 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:11,320 the way the terrain changes so 549 00:28:15,860 --> 00:28:13,330 drastically in the state of Illinois and 550 00:28:18,810 --> 00:28:15,870 you've got that you know you've got that 551 00:28:21,090 --> 00:28:18,820 southern the southern part of of 552 00:28:22,650 --> 00:28:21,100 Illinois which is basically like you're 553 00:28:25,650 --> 00:28:22,660 in the south I mean you've you've got 554 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:25,660 very large hills and valleys and there's 555 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:27,490 the River Valley and and all that kind 556 00:28:31,620 --> 00:28:29,250 of stuff and then you've got the the 557 00:28:33,420 --> 00:28:31,630 central Illinois which is the most flat 558 00:28:36,150 --> 00:28:33,430 desolate sort of not desolate 559 00:28:38,730 --> 00:28:36,160 necessarily but the most flat Prairie 560 00:28:41,940 --> 00:28:38,740 look you know classic kind of Midwest 561 00:28:43,740 --> 00:28:41,950 you can find and then you've got 562 00:28:45,630 --> 00:28:43,750 Northern Illinois which is sort of a 563 00:28:49,799 --> 00:28:45,640 combination of both you've got the very 564 00:28:52,770 --> 00:28:49,809 rugged wooded areas and and then you get 565 00:28:54,150 --> 00:28:52,780 the flat sort of central look as well 566 00:28:56,130 --> 00:28:54,160 and then you've got these three major 567 00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:56,140 cities three very large cities in 568 00:29:00,600 --> 00:28:58,090 northern Illinois that and one of them 569 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:00,610 alone makes up a massive section of that 570 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:04,210 part of the state so exploring the 571 00:29:07,230 --> 00:29:05,650 terrain and the state was really 572 00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:07,240 exciting to me and that's actually the 573 00:29:12,810 --> 00:29:10,510 movies broken up into three chunks three 574 00:29:14,070 --> 00:29:12,820 sections one of it starts in southern 575 00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:14,080 Illinois and then it takes you to 576 00:29:18,030 --> 00:29:16,480 central Illinois and it ends in northern 577 00:29:20,370 --> 00:29:18,040 Illinois and we explore all the 578 00:29:23,610 --> 00:29:20,380 different sightings you know of various 579 00:29:27,030 --> 00:29:23,620 birds or winged cryptids from each 580 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:27,040 section of the state so it was just I 581 00:29:31,770 --> 00:29:30,130 think more than anything it was it was 582 00:29:34,980 --> 00:29:31,780 just getting to explore a subject that 583 00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:34,990 we haven't really gotten into in any of 584 00:29:38,190 --> 00:29:37,120 our other films we did have any invasion 585 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:38,200 on Chestnut Ridge there was a 586 00:29:42,780 --> 00:29:40,330 Thunderbird sort of well it was more of 587 00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:42,790 a pterodactyl but a Thunderbird sort of 588 00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:46,510 attack or sighting that happened near 589 00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:49,360 near Chestnut Ridge Pennsylvania which I 590 00:29:54,659 --> 00:29:52,000 mean you you could throw a net and find 591 00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:54,669 any number of various phenomena that 592 00:29:58,380 --> 00:29:56,320 have been seen on the chestnut ridge so 593 00:30:00,120 --> 00:29:58,390 it's not surprising that we we breached 594 00:30:02,460 --> 00:30:00,130 that subject when we were making that 595 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:02,470 movie but um yeah it was that and then 596 00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:05,410 also working with Troy Taylor and Loren 597 00:30:12,990 --> 00:30:10,000 Coleman Coleman I had worked with just a 598 00:30:16,669 --> 00:30:13,000 few months prior on on the trail of 599 00:30:20,180 --> 00:30:16,679 Bigfoot and and he's a Illinois native 600 00:30:24,270 --> 00:30:20,190 so it made sense to let the story be 601 00:30:26,220 --> 00:30:24,280 Coleman and Taylors because Troy also 602 00:30:29,850 --> 00:30:26,230 grew up there and and Troy Troy's a 603 00:30:32,460 --> 00:30:29,860 really cool a great interview and 604 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:32,470 someone whose work I was not very 605 00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:36,250 familiar with and Troy was not supposed 606 00:30:39,870 --> 00:30:37,840 to be sort of a central character in the 607 00:30:41,970 --> 00:30:39,880 film originally I contacted him simply 608 00:30:44,010 --> 00:30:41,980 about being another talking head sort of 609 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:44,020 you know someone to sort of fill out the 610 00:30:48,299 --> 00:30:45,970 history of Thunderbirds and winged 611 00:30:49,470 --> 00:30:48,309 cryptids in Illinois and then we got 612 00:30:52,110 --> 00:30:49,480 into his interview and I quickly 613 00:30:53,940 --> 00:30:52,120 realized like this guy has a little bit 614 00:30:55,500 --> 00:30:53,950 about everything from from the state 615 00:30:57,330 --> 00:30:55,510 like he was he was amazing at all 616 00:31:01,590 --> 00:30:57,340 aspects of 617 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:01,600 of this particular subject so the the 618 00:31:05,669 --> 00:31:03,490 two central characters are Troy Taylor 619 00:31:07,950 --> 00:31:05,679 and Loren Coleman and then we bring in 620 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:07,960 Tobias Weiland in the final chapter to 621 00:31:13,710 --> 00:31:10,450 sort of help fill out the the Chicago 622 00:31:19,710 --> 00:31:13,720 Mothman subject well that's a 623 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:19,720 long-winded answer well you know the 624 00:31:23,970 --> 00:31:21,490 interesting thing to me about the you 625 00:31:27,019 --> 00:31:23,980 know the whole you know uh Big Bird 626 00:31:29,730 --> 00:31:27,029 phenomena is that a lot of skeptics 627 00:31:30,629 --> 00:31:29,740 always tend to say oh wow you know these 628 00:31:32,700 --> 00:31:30,639 people don't know what they're talking 629 00:31:36,119 --> 00:31:32,710 about they've just seen you know turkey 630 00:31:38,789 --> 00:31:36,129 vultures they don't know or you know an 631 00:31:41,310 --> 00:31:38,799 owl or or something like that but as you 632 00:31:42,810 --> 00:31:41,320 pointed out earlier you know some of 633 00:31:46,350 --> 00:31:42,820 these people who've seen these things 634 00:31:48,899 --> 00:31:46,360 are very familiar with the environment 635 00:31:51,690 --> 00:31:48,909 they they know the wildlife they know 636 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:51,700 the difference between a turkey vulture 637 00:31:56,190 --> 00:31:54,730 or or you know a great horned owl or 638 00:31:58,649 --> 00:31:56,200 something like that so I mean they 639 00:32:01,200 --> 00:31:58,659 wouldn't go and make a report that they 640 00:32:04,980 --> 00:32:01,210 have seen something unusual unless I 641 00:32:08,759 --> 00:32:04,990 actually have yeah I think that's one of 642 00:32:10,739 --> 00:32:08,769 the most telling aspects of the film are 643 00:32:12,899 --> 00:32:10,749 they're the two men that that sort of 644 00:32:16,049 --> 00:32:12,909 directly talk about their own sightings 645 00:32:19,889 --> 00:32:16,059 of giant birds you know that I don't 646 00:32:21,810 --> 00:32:19,899 think either of these guys is is see is 647 00:32:24,749 --> 00:32:21,820 a yahoo who doesn't know what they're 648 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:24,759 looking at when they see it you know and 649 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:27,730 and the weirdest thing about Jeff Byers 650 00:32:33,149 --> 00:32:30,730 encounter is it happened at night and 651 00:32:36,119 --> 00:32:33,159 and what he is describing seeing is sort 652 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:36,129 of a hooked beak almost like a massive 653 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:40,210 vulture and with a 15 to 20-foot 654 00:32:44,869 --> 00:32:42,610 wingspan which vultures are terrifying 655 00:32:48,060 --> 00:32:44,879 anyway and if you imagine a 15 foot 656 00:32:51,299 --> 00:32:48,070 wingspan on one of them you know but he 657 00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:51,309 it's a bizarre thing for a bird like 658 00:32:57,299 --> 00:32:54,720 that to be out you know that nocturnally 659 00:33:00,090 --> 00:32:57,309 that's a that's a very strange thing so 660 00:33:02,190 --> 00:33:00,100 so that aspect of his sighting is really 661 00:33:03,629 --> 00:33:02,200 weird but he knew what he was looking at 662 00:33:05,789 --> 00:33:03,639 when he saw it you know there was the 663 00:33:07,769 --> 00:33:05,799 brief you know he comes around the bend 664 00:33:09,749 --> 00:33:07,779 in the road he's driving his car and he 665 00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:09,759 sees this thing that he thinks at first 666 00:33:12,450 --> 00:33:10,720 is a man sim 667 00:33:15,900 --> 00:33:12,460 because it's standing upright in the 668 00:33:17,700 --> 00:33:15,910 road and it's wings are out but what 669 00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:17,710 Eretz wings are you know down but when 670 00:33:21,930 --> 00:33:20,080 it unfurls its wings as when he all of a 671 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:21,940 sudden it's like okay I'm not I'm not 672 00:33:26,250 --> 00:33:24,010 seeing a man I'm seeing a giant bird and 673 00:33:28,410 --> 00:33:26,260 he wasn't you know Jeff's interesting 674 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:28,420 cuz it wasn't terrified of what he saw 675 00:33:32,730 --> 00:33:31,330 or anything he was he was fascinated by 676 00:33:36,690 --> 00:33:32,740 it and I think it piqued his curiosity 677 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:36,700 more than it scared him and and Kyle of 678 00:33:40,890 --> 00:33:38,890 course is a you know the the most 679 00:33:42,570 --> 00:33:40,900 believable sort of witness you can come 680 00:33:44,580 --> 00:33:42,580 across but there were if you went 681 00:33:49,140 --> 00:33:44,590 further back in history to the Alton 682 00:33:50,550 --> 00:33:49,150 flap or the the lawndale flap and by the 683 00:33:54,270 --> 00:33:50,560 way I like during the making of these 684 00:33:56,460 --> 00:33:54,280 these movies it drove my crew insane how 685 00:33:59,070 --> 00:33:56,470 much the word flap came up while we were 686 00:34:00,900 --> 00:33:59,080 making terror and this guy like they 687 00:34:02,970 --> 00:34:00,910 were so sick of it they were they were 688 00:34:06,060 --> 00:34:02,980 ready to quit making movies after this 689 00:34:08,700 --> 00:34:06,070 but um that those a lot of those 690 00:34:12,150 --> 00:34:08,710 sightings were by very believable 691 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:12,160 witness especially the forties witnesses 692 00:34:17,070 --> 00:34:14,290 there were there were them the mayor of 693 00:34:20,970 --> 00:34:17,080 the town took it so seriously that he 694 00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:20,980 was he was offering a bounty the Civil 695 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:24,240 Air Patrol and Alton started doing 696 00:34:30,570 --> 00:34:28,210 searches for for the big bird you know 697 00:34:32,910 --> 00:34:30,580 and and one of the first sightings of 698 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:32,920 Alton's big bird was by an Air Force 699 00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:35,410 colonel so that there were a number of 700 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:38,250 really believable witnesses during 701 00:34:43,500 --> 00:34:41,290 during you know the 70's and the 40's 702 00:34:45,630 --> 00:34:43,510 and and then it continues up to the 703 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:45,640 present day now when you get into the to 704 00:34:51,300 --> 00:34:48,970 the Mothman in Chicago story it's up in 705 00:34:55,590 --> 00:34:51,310 the air because a lot of the witnesses 706 00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:55,600 are anonymous and you know there's a few 707 00:35:00,060 --> 00:34:57,370 that that have come forward that we know 708 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:00,070 their names but for the most part you 709 00:35:05,070 --> 00:35:01,570 know a lot of those people have remained 710 00:35:08,010 --> 00:35:05,080 anonymous which might just be a case of 711 00:35:10,350 --> 00:35:08,020 you know it's it's it's a time when 712 00:35:12,270 --> 00:35:10,360 social media can make your your life a 713 00:35:14,190 --> 00:35:12,280 living hell so if you come forward 714 00:35:16,380 --> 00:35:14,200 claiming you've seen a giant you know 715 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:16,390 winged humanoid in the city of Chicago 716 00:35:21,890 --> 00:35:19,330 it might just backfire on you terror 717 00:35:27,359 --> 00:35:21,900 well now let's let's talk about the the 718 00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:27,369 Chicago area sightings now the the the 719 00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:29,520 earlier cases that we were referring to 720 00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:33,040 tend to be more like a you know a giant 721 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:35,200 bird I mean it looks like a bird it 722 00:35:39,540 --> 00:35:37,330 seems to have feathers and wings and you 723 00:35:41,790 --> 00:35:39,550 know what people say see it they say a 724 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:41,800 lot of report that it looks like say 725 00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:43,930 like a Condor even though a you know 726 00:35:48,300 --> 00:35:45,520 even bigger than a you know an actual 727 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:48,310 Condor which by the way condors are not 728 00:35:55,980 --> 00:35:52,090 indigenous to the Midwest so now you 729 00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:55,990 have the Chicago area sightings but this 730 00:36:00,050 --> 00:35:58,720 is a winged cryptid for the most part of 731 00:36:02,849 --> 00:36:00,060 a different kind 732 00:36:05,550 --> 00:36:02,859 yeah yeah and and I mean again like 733 00:36:08,990 --> 00:36:05,560 there's there's a number of different 734 00:36:11,339 --> 00:36:09,000 types of cryptids that have been seen 735 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:11,349 winged crypt is especially in the state 736 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:14,050 of Illinois but the the the humanoid and 737 00:36:19,710 --> 00:36:17,410 the Mothman type there are hot right now 738 00:36:22,349 --> 00:36:19,720 that's the big you know subject in the 739 00:36:24,690 --> 00:36:22,359 news so so everyone is talking about the 740 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:24,700 the Chicago Mothman but the fact is that 741 00:36:29,370 --> 00:36:27,490 the Mothman like the Chicago which is 742 00:36:31,829 --> 00:36:29,380 actually it's sometimes called the 743 00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:31,839 Chicago phantom sometimes called the 744 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:39,250 Chicago Mothman 'men don't always line 745 00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:41,530 up which actually does draw similarities 746 00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:44,320 to Point Pleasant spot man because the 747 00:36:48,300 --> 00:36:45,760 description is a Point Pleasant smoth 748 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:48,310 man didn't always line up either but 749 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:49,930 what people are seeing in Chicago seems 750 00:36:57,720 --> 00:36:53,010 to be some sort of large you know 751 00:37:00,210 --> 00:36:57,730 human-like shape red eyes have been 752 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:00,220 recounted that seems to be flying around 753 00:37:07,500 --> 00:37:02,770 over over a city that you know with it 754 00:37:08,820 --> 00:37:07,510 with a massive population of thousands 755 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:08,830 and thousands of people under two 756 00:37:15,930 --> 00:37:12,970 thousands of people and and it does not 757 00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:15,940 necessarily sound similar to those those 758 00:37:20,220 --> 00:37:18,880 reports from the 70s of condors and 759 00:37:24,810 --> 00:37:20,230 things like that but they're there I 760 00:37:26,339 --> 00:37:24,820 talked to we talked to people who do 761 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:26,349 believe that maybe you know I think 762 00:37:30,839 --> 00:37:28,810 Allison joylynn was one of the people we 763 00:37:31,980 --> 00:37:30,849 interviewed Allison believes you know 764 00:37:34,350 --> 00:37:31,990 maybe there were some 765 00:37:37,590 --> 00:37:34,360 initial were sightings of of like 766 00:37:40,050 --> 00:37:37,600 something like a Thunderbird or just a 767 00:37:41,930 --> 00:37:40,060 large known bird that was misidentified 768 00:37:45,750 --> 00:37:41,940 and it kicked off a flurry of activity 769 00:37:51,359 --> 00:37:45,760 regardless of like drawing a parallel 770 00:37:54,750 --> 00:37:51,369 line from Alton the 1940s Alton flap to 771 00:37:56,370 --> 00:37:54,760 the 1970s Lawndale flap to the to the 772 00:38:00,300 --> 00:37:56,380 present day flap that's happening in 773 00:38:03,870 --> 00:38:00,310 Chicago it's difficult to see many 774 00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:03,880 similarities between the the the winged 775 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:06,400 bird cases and the winged humanoid case 776 00:38:13,850 --> 00:38:08,890 of today except for the fact that they 777 00:38:17,100 --> 00:38:13,860 all sort of have this mushroom cloud 778 00:38:20,310 --> 00:38:17,110 expansion that happens as soon as the 779 00:38:22,980 --> 00:38:20,320 story hits the major media and you know 780 00:38:25,020 --> 00:38:22,990 it's it's something that that draws a 781 00:38:27,420 --> 00:38:25,030 parallel line between all three of these 782 00:38:28,950 --> 00:38:27,430 cases there's a couple cases that are 783 00:38:31,380 --> 00:38:28,960 reported sightings that are reported to 784 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:31,390 someone those are reported by someone 785 00:38:37,380 --> 00:38:34,090 else and as soon as those those you know 786 00:38:39,990 --> 00:38:37,390 sighting reports hit any sort of media 787 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:40,000 it explodes and then you've got numerous 788 00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:42,010 other reports coming in and and it 789 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:44,250 becomes very difficult to sort of 790 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:47,050 separate the wheat from the the wheat 791 00:38:50,849 --> 00:38:49,690 from the chaff mm-hmm well I mean 792 00:38:52,890 --> 00:38:50,859 there's there's always the possibility 793 00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:52,900 also that you know people have these 794 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:54,250 sightings and there's like you know 795 00:38:57,720 --> 00:38:56,290 there's no way in hell I'm gonna tell 796 00:39:01,260 --> 00:38:57,730 anybody about that because I'll think 797 00:39:03,660 --> 00:39:01,270 I'm crazy then they read or you know 798 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:03,670 hear that you know somebody else has had 799 00:39:07,590 --> 00:39:06,130 it okay well I guess I'm not so crazy 800 00:39:11,340 --> 00:39:07,600 after all so I'll go ahead and talk 801 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:11,350 about it yeah and I mean that's that's a 802 00:39:15,450 --> 00:39:12,850 big part of it there's also the part 803 00:39:17,490 --> 00:39:15,460 that people want to piggyback on on on a 804 00:39:20,370 --> 00:39:17,500 small amount of you know famer 805 00:39:23,099 --> 00:39:20,380 or insert themselves into the story into 806 00:39:26,310 --> 00:39:23,109 the ongoing narrative and that's where 807 00:39:27,930 --> 00:39:26,320 things get dicey especially when a story 808 00:39:30,330 --> 00:39:27,940 becomes as popular as the Chicago 809 00:39:34,050 --> 00:39:30,340 Mothman story did I don't know that it's 810 00:39:37,260 --> 00:39:34,060 still enjoying that same brief burst of 811 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:37,270 popularity it had but there was 812 00:39:40,980 --> 00:39:38,650 definitely a short period of time where 813 00:39:44,010 --> 00:39:40,990 that was all over the you know all over 814 00:39:45,310 --> 00:39:44,020 media would you would you would think I 815 00:39:49,300 --> 00:39:45,320 mean you know consider 816 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:49,310 mean all the other different things that 817 00:39:56,350 --> 00:39:52,570 you could piggyback off of to get that 818 00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:56,360 15 15 minutes of fame it was like you 819 00:40:01,330 --> 00:39:58,130 know why why would you pick something 820 00:40:04,380 --> 00:40:01,340 like that yeah well and I and I'm the 821 00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:04,390 type of person who says I don't believe 822 00:40:09,850 --> 00:40:07,760 that witnesses do that you know that 823 00:40:13,620 --> 00:40:09,860 most witnesses are simply trying to 824 00:40:16,420 --> 00:40:13,630 attract some some small amount of Fame 825 00:40:22,750 --> 00:40:16,430 when it comes to a story that becomes 826 00:40:24,570 --> 00:40:22,760 this much of a media sensation you you 827 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:24,580 do have to you know sort of weigh those 828 00:40:28,450 --> 00:40:27,050 those odds that maybe someone is just 829 00:40:31,330 --> 00:40:28,460 trying to get their name out there but 830 00:40:33,730 --> 00:40:31,340 they the Chicago things frustrating in a 831 00:40:36,310 --> 00:40:33,740 way because so few witnesses names are 832 00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:36,320 even known you know I mean a lot a lot 833 00:40:43,990 --> 00:40:39,710 of it is very anonymous so that's that's 834 00:40:46,540 --> 00:40:44,000 a little frustrating all right well we 835 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:46,550 only have really just you know a short 836 00:40:51,550 --> 00:40:48,170 period of time left in the program but I 837 00:40:53,830 --> 00:40:51,560 want to talk a little bit about the the 838 00:40:56,140 --> 00:40:53,840 film if you're able to that you've 839 00:40:59,230 --> 00:40:56,150 you've currently been working on because 840 00:41:01,660 --> 00:40:59,240 I've been following you on Instagram and 841 00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:01,670 your your shooting schedule over in 842 00:41:06,700 --> 00:41:04,720 Missouri so now are you continuing 843 00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:06,710 production with that or have you wrapped 844 00:41:12,430 --> 00:41:10,250 it wrapped up at this point MoMA the 845 00:41:14,410 --> 00:41:12,440 Missouri monster is actually it's a 846 00:41:20,170 --> 00:41:14,420 movie as you're gonna love because it is 847 00:41:23,140 --> 00:41:20,180 it is a full-scale homage to 1970s 848 00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:23,150 grindhouse and driving features of it 849 00:41:29,620 --> 00:41:26,960 love it yeah it's a it is it is mostly 850 00:41:31,450 --> 00:41:29,630 wrapped I say mostly because definitely 851 00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:31,460 the documentary portion of the movie is 852 00:41:36,370 --> 00:41:34,880 done the narrative portion is about 95 853 00:41:38,620 --> 00:41:36,380 percent complete I had to get some 854 00:41:41,530 --> 00:41:38,630 exteriors of a car driving down a road 855 00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:41,540 I've got to get one final scene shot and 856 00:41:47,850 --> 00:41:45,440 one little piece of a montage scene done 857 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:47,860 but once I once all of that is completed 858 00:41:55,330 --> 00:41:51,410 the the entire filming is is wrapped and 859 00:41:58,460 --> 00:41:55,340 and I'm I'm probably 70% done with a 860 00:42:03,050 --> 00:41:58,470 rough cut of the narrative film already 861 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:03,060 so I can I can say definitively that it 862 00:42:08,810 --> 00:42:05,850 will be the craziest movie we've ever 863 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:08,820 released and it will be I think for a 864 00:42:12,350 --> 00:42:10,410 lot of people it's gonna go down as sort 865 00:42:16,190 --> 00:42:12,360 of the quintessential small-town monster 866 00:42:18,740 --> 00:42:16,200 so it's it's very very much in line with 867 00:42:20,690 --> 00:42:18,750 what we've done before while going in a 868 00:42:23,810 --> 00:42:20,700 completely new direction with it and 869 00:42:27,860 --> 00:42:23,820 it's all about [\h__\h] late night horror 870 00:42:32,030 --> 00:42:27,870 hosts and cryptid stories and drive-in 871 00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:32,040 movies and 1970s crypto documentaries 872 00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:35,760 and and if you love any of those things 873 00:42:39,620 --> 00:42:38,160 you will you will hopefully adore this 874 00:42:41,540 --> 00:42:39,630 movie and if you don't love any of those 875 00:42:44,210 --> 00:42:41,550 things I think you'll still find don't 876 00:42:45,890 --> 00:42:44,220 find a lot to like I loved I loved those 877 00:42:51,530 --> 00:42:45,900 movies because I mean I was just right 878 00:42:54,770 --> 00:42:51,540 at that age when I was able to drive and 879 00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:54,780 go to drive drive-ins and we'll watch 880 00:43:00,260 --> 00:42:56,400 those wonderful films when you were 881 00:43:02,150 --> 00:43:00,270 watching our time is square where you 882 00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:02,160 can see such films as I Spit on Your 883 00:43:09,530 --> 00:43:06,240 Grave yeah yeah yeah this is this is 884 00:43:15,130 --> 00:43:09,540 that this is all about all those all 885 00:43:23,300 --> 00:43:18,560 driller actually but yeah yeah that's 886 00:43:25,940 --> 00:43:23,310 that was a - movies were a dollar yeah 887 00:43:28,570 --> 00:43:25,950 to move yes oh my gosh our driving I 888 00:43:32,270 --> 00:43:28,580 could watch four movies for a dollar you 889 00:43:42,350 --> 00:43:32,280 didn't have indoor seating yeah no this 890 00:43:45,410 --> 00:43:42,360 is a drive-in so was were there any 891 00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:45,420 difficulties I mean I I know the area 892 00:43:52,850 --> 00:43:49,520 quite well we're yeah shooty yeah I mean 893 00:43:55,130 --> 00:43:52,860 the biggest difficulty for us was the 894 00:43:58,130 --> 00:43:55,140 the flooding that was going on around oh 895 00:43:59,780 --> 00:43:58,140 yeah that part of the the state it 896 00:44:01,880 --> 00:43:59,790 definitely created some travel issues 897 00:44:04,220 --> 00:44:01,890 but I mean for the most part the town 898 00:44:07,100 --> 00:44:04,230 was was very welcoming we did not 899 00:44:09,830 --> 00:44:07,110 broadcast why we were there because 900 00:44:11,900 --> 00:44:09,840 Louisiana has definitely not embraced 901 00:44:13,700 --> 00:44:11,910 Momo as a local legend 902 00:44:16,250 --> 00:44:13,710 a local story it's sort of the opposite 903 00:44:19,339 --> 00:44:16,260 of a place like Point Pleasant or even 904 00:44:22,849 --> 00:44:19,349 Alton because they just want nothing to 905 00:44:25,130 --> 00:44:22,859 do with the Momo legend and so you know 906 00:44:27,829 --> 00:44:25,140 we're making a movie that is sort of 907 00:44:30,170 --> 00:44:27,839 referencing that fact you know like a 908 00:44:33,740 --> 00:44:30,180 lot of the interviews we shot or are 909 00:44:36,349 --> 00:44:33,750 with locals who flat out say we don't 910 00:44:39,529 --> 00:44:36,359 think there's any reason for for this 911 00:44:42,500 --> 00:44:39,539 town to sort of retell that story or 912 00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:42,510 embrace that story you know but we were 913 00:44:48,410 --> 00:44:44,730 able to to get interviews with with 914 00:44:50,180 --> 00:44:48,420 relatives of we were able to interview 915 00:44:52,099 --> 00:44:50,190 the daughter of the police chief who 916 00:44:54,740 --> 00:44:52,109 actually led the posse up the hill to 917 00:44:57,470 --> 00:44:54,750 look for a moment on star hill we were 918 00:45:00,140 --> 00:44:57,480 able to interview some some original 919 00:45:02,150 --> 00:45:00,150 witnesses the girl that actually claims 920 00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:02,160 to have created the original three-toed 921 00:45:06,890 --> 00:45:05,609 Momo tracks we interviewed her so 922 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:06,900 there's so there are some great 923 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:11,130 interviews within the film but it is a 924 00:45:19,370 --> 00:45:16,410 it is a much broader sort of look at at 925 00:45:21,769 --> 00:45:19,380 why we retell movies and her stories and 926 00:45:24,819 --> 00:45:21,779 how we retell stories and whether or not 927 00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:24,829 there's there's something to be said for 928 00:45:31,609 --> 00:45:27,599 retelling a story in a way that might 929 00:45:34,309 --> 00:45:31,619 not be true to the actual reality of it 930 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:34,319 all right I look forward to seeing that 931 00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:35,970 one when it comes out you have to let us 932 00:45:42,410 --> 00:45:38,960 know okay now terror in the skies where 933 00:45:45,410 --> 00:45:42,420 is that out now working people go and 934 00:45:47,720 --> 00:45:45,420 see it Tarrance guys comes out June 7th 935 00:45:51,260 --> 00:45:47,730 so a week from tomorrow or a week from 936 00:45:58,779 --> 00:45:51,270 midnight tonight on Amazon Vimeo on 937 00:46:01,400 --> 00:45:58,789 demand vide and DVD and it will play at 938 00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:01,410 at least one or two events this summer 939 00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:03,359 although suddenly it's escaping me and 940 00:46:07,519 --> 00:46:05,490 what they are I'll be personally at the 941 00:46:10,700 --> 00:46:07,529 Pennsylvania Bigfoot camping adventure 942 00:46:13,609 --> 00:46:10,710 this coming weekend at Boehner's meadow 943 00:46:15,319 --> 00:46:13,619 run which isn't far from like Ohiopyle 944 00:46:17,029 --> 00:46:15,329 and it's on the Chestnut Ridge so if 945 00:46:18,500 --> 00:46:17,039 you're gonna be in the area if you're in 946 00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:18,510 Pennsylvania you should come hang out 947 00:46:23,900 --> 00:46:21,359 with with us but there's there's a lot 948 00:46:30,410 --> 00:46:23,910 of events Momo comes out 949 00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:30,420 late or very early very early fall this 950 00:46:35,240 --> 00:46:32,730 year and it's going to have a premiere 951 00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:35,250 at cryptic Con in Kentucky we are 952 00:46:40,099 --> 00:46:37,609 actually working on scheduling a 953 00:46:42,349 --> 00:46:40,109 midnight screening it'll be sort of a 954 00:46:45,230 --> 00:46:42,359 midnight premiere of the movie at a 955 00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:45,240 classic theater near Lexington Kentucky 956 00:46:51,259 --> 00:46:47,930 so so I'll have more info on that 957 00:46:55,009 --> 00:46:51,269 sometime fairly soon all right fantastic 958 00:46:58,430 --> 00:46:55,019 and Tim Buckley we've got a new book 959 00:47:05,599 --> 00:46:58,440 that just came out this week oh you bet 960 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:05,609 we do once you tell the title wielding 961 00:47:13,579 --> 00:47:08,130 ghosts knife knife wielding feeling 962 00:47:16,279 --> 00:47:13,589 sonorous ghost about dangerous 963 00:47:18,650 --> 00:47:16,289 poltergeist and other creepy crawlies 964 00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:18,660 and things if you in for the night 965 00:47:23,299 --> 00:47:20,880 it's it's got some really pretty 966 00:47:25,549 --> 00:47:23,309 horrific stories in there and of course 967 00:47:28,940 --> 00:47:25,559 by some of our best contributors and 968 00:47:30,410 --> 00:47:28,950 including a couple of the projects we 969 00:47:34,099 --> 00:47:30,420 actually the people that have been on 970 00:47:38,539 --> 00:47:34,109 our show in the in the past and it's up 971 00:47:41,109 --> 00:47:38,549 on Amazon along with the alien 972 00:47:44,269 --> 00:47:41,119 strongholds UFO bases on earth and 973 00:47:45,859 --> 00:47:44,279 broody Andrea's book on witchcraft and 974 00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:45,869 of course the one that I did on David 975 00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:48,930 Bowie and the occult so always look for 976 00:47:54,049 --> 00:47:51,450 our material and subscribe to our 977 00:47:57,230 --> 00:47:54,059 newsletter for free and go to youtube 978 00:47:59,930 --> 00:47:57,240 but channel which is mr. UFOs secret 979 00:48:03,410 --> 00:47:59,940 files and thank you one and all and 980 00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:03,420 thank you Seth and thank you Tim Thank 981 00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:10,079 You Tina and thank you Peter I think 982 00:48:23,620 --> 00:48:19,750 you've been listening to exploring the 983 00:48:26,890 --> 00:48:23,630 bazaar with hosts Timothy Beckley and to 984 00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:26,900 Swartz they're taking back the night by 985 00:48:32,380 --> 00:48:29,810 jetting non-stop across the cosmos in 986 00:48:35,670 --> 00:48:32,390 search of the truly bizarre and totally 987 00:48:39,670 --> 00:48:35,680 unexplained with you as their cold 988 00:48:44,370 --> 00:48:39,680 Thursday nights at 7 p.m. Pacific 10:00 989 00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:44,380 p.m. Eastern on the K cor digital radio 990 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:46,960 for more information on exploring the 991 00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:49,930 bazaars and hosts Timothy Beckley and 992 00:48:55,739 --> 00:48:52,569 Tim Swartz check out their kco our 993 00:49:01,799 --> 00:48:55,749 digital radio network follow their 994 00:49:11,340 --> 00:49:01,809 YouTube channel @m r UFO 1100 explore